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Post by canto86 on Sept 20, 2005 22:00:42 GMT 1
So it is impossible to emulate playststion on the palm? What about dreamcast, N64, or any other newer systems? Also, is there any way you ppl who are good with computers could create a brain pool to try and create better programs for palm OS? I am a novice user on computers but no nothing about making or changing programs so I wouldn't be able to help you. I am sick and tired of pocket PC getting all the good stuff like age of empires and playstation emulators. As far as Im concerned Palm OS designers need to start haulin ass and getting newer and better stuff on the market. BTW, would there be any way for you guys to make a version of age of empires for palm OS?
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Post by Tinnus on Sept 21, 2005 1:11:00 GMT 1
FOR GOD'S SAKE, stop asking for stuff that was already asked (and answered) tons of times.
Dreamcast and N64 are harder (slower) than PlayStation (of course).
Also what do you mean by "create a brain pool to try and create better programs for palm OS"? Do you think Palm OS programs aren't any good?
Seems like you'd want a PPC then, go buy one.
Also, if you're not satisfied enough, go "haul ass" yourself. Learn how to program and try to create the next Doom 3 for Palm OS.
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Post by canto86 on Sept 21, 2005 13:20:13 GMT 1
What I mean is that PPC has all kinds of stuff but what do we have? LJP is the best thing on my palm. I have played the demo's for what were supposed to be good games for palm OS (madden 05) and really weren't. I think if people all grouped together they could create newer and better things for palm powered devices.
I dont have enough money to go out and buy another palm pilot so my zire 72 will have to suffice. Also, I am just beginning a programming class so hopefully I will be able to help out the palm world with some stuff of my own. BTW, do you know of any palm programs that could change my mind (preferably free)
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Post by angel on Sept 21, 2005 16:53:09 GMT 1
for the games :
Zdoom, Zquake, Zhexen, LJP, Duke3d by metaview, legacy, flashback, dreamway, openttd and many others
for the emulators :
myUae, caSTaway, ljp, gizmo, dreamengine, palmMame,...
for the multimedia utilities :
tcpmp, aeroplayer, mmplayer...
good games producer (aye, you have to pay, the world is hard) :
redshift, astraware...
Dont say there is only bad programs on palm or palm programmer cant do any good piece of soft, they rocks, and no need to "look at" what is dont on pocket pc (or buy one and enjoy it).
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Post by canto86 on Sept 21, 2005 21:22:43 GMT 1
I didnt really mean that they suck, but they arent as good as the stuff on pocket PC.
Is there any way we can get more system modules for LJP? Preferably ones that most people have heard of. Before LJP I had never heard of wonderswan, neogeo pocket, TG16, or VCS. I just want something with good war/shooting games like medal of honor or Twisted Metal for playstation, Hence the request for the playstation emulator. If you know of any that are for palm, or if you know of any games that are like that for any of the LJP emulators please let me know. I really wish I could help with the palm programming world but I am only beginning a computer class so we are still just studying terms. If I ever get any good at it I will do my best to help out all my fellow palm users.
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Post by pokeme444 on Sept 21, 2005 22:15:41 GMT 1
n64 might be doable on the zodiac with its 3d acceleration using dynamic recompilation.
except is there enough memory in the heap?
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Post by pokeme444 on Sept 21, 2005 22:16:16 GMT 1
as far as palm shooters go, check out Daedalus 3d on palmgear.com
also, zdoom/zquake, duh :-p
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Post by Tinnus on Sept 22, 2005 0:14:14 GMT 1
Well, 3D controls for most Palm models are awkward anyway. That's why the Zodiac gets 3D with just its 200MHz and 2D GFX chip.
I believe most people don't do 3D for Palm OS because usually the controls aren't worth it. But the system is capable.
I plan on experimenting some stuff with the Quake engine (ported by yoyo) and see if I can get anything going.
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Post by takashi on Oct 10, 2005 12:14:38 GMT 1
Palm has a PS emulator, just it only works for Zodiac  Only a couple of games are even close to full-speed. Most run at somewhere in the region of 5fps. There's no options either so, you have to just run the ISO's and reset when you're done. Hey! Beats the PSP's attempt. N64 specs are like, bigger so, the possibility of getting an emu for that is slim... And if it did come it wouldn't be full speed. And I don't think Zodiac even has 3D acceleration... Errr, I don't even think there is a working Dreamcast emulator for PC even... |
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Post by kayge on Oct 10, 2005 16:58:20 GMT 1
I've asked a couple of times in the emuboards thread, but more regular Palm owners need to bug the creator of PalmPSX, Zodttd, to make this available to non-Zodiac Palm users. The emu is still in its infancy, but Tinnus made a comment that it wouldn't take a big change in the code to make it available for all. Promises of donations might help, as Zodttd has hinted several times that donations are more than welcome from Zodiac owners using this Emu. Link to forum here, www.emuboards.com/invision/index.php?showtopic=24315 |
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Post by Tinnus on Oct 10, 2005 18:34:59 GMT 1
Meh. It's as easy as changing one line of code. He just added zodiac-specific blitting to the emu. Just a matter of adding a #define or a checkbox and chancing it to something general instead of the TW function.
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Post by takashi on Oct 10, 2005 18:55:21 GMT 1
I personally won't be making a donation for something that's of no use to me. While it's interesting to see how it goes (and updates are plentiful), I can't say it's a very practical emulator, being that the games are so big and there weren't too many good games for the system anyway. (plus a few smaller tiffs like the lack of buttons, even on Zodiac units. No matter how much happens to it, it's still going to be too slow to play most things.) Gimme Mega-CD over PSX anyday If it's as simple as changing 1 line of code, hows about a direct Mega-CD port?  Must play Sonic-CD ^^ |
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Post by Tinnus on Oct 10, 2005 19:06:39 GMT 1
I mean it's 1 line for him to change it from Zod-specific to general Palm OS... not to port it again |
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Post by kayge on Oct 10, 2005 20:35:33 GMT 1
Button configuration will make many games nearly unplayable, but I have lots of games that will play fine if compatible. Anyways I'm dying to at least test it out on my Zire72 because it seems that I run all SNES at full speed and Zodiac owners are always complaining about speed issues with LJP, especially SNES.
And as far as button configuration, if there are configurable on-screen buttons I think there would be many possibilities for button layouts. I mean I play Duke3D as easily on my Palm now, as I ever did with a mouse on PC.
And I know many of the .bins would be huge, but I have a 1gb card and will likely soon buy 2gb card now that they are available (when I save the cash). A 2gb card would make game size a non-issue.
The long and short of it is, I would like to try it. If its at all useable I'd donate.
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Post by takashi on Oct 10, 2005 21:52:11 GMT 1
4gb cards are available now What's the Zire72 like? Hmmmm... Wow! That's some nice specs there  But I doubt it would make much difference. Only 33% faster at the most. You'd need it at least 300% faster to achieve a satisfactory speed with no sound.  |
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Post by kayge on Oct 10, 2005 22:26:28 GMT 1
I suppose, but some are reporting nearly full speed on Resident Evil Director's cut. And many of the games I have aren't even being tested as far as I can tell. You don't know until you try. I see the skeptics sayaing "why bother" with the PSX emu and there are many other consoles that haven't been emulated to Palm that deserve priority, but te fact is Zodttd is putting a lot effort into trying to make it workable so he should be given a chance.
Except I can't even try it out because its Zod-only right now!
And yeah, the Zire72 is a pretty good little device. I get Duke3d and LJP at full speed. Of course there are many more consoles to be emulated that Im dying to test out on it. Its all fun anyways.
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Post by canto86 on Oct 10, 2005 22:30:03 GMT 1
WOW! Is the speed like a bad cartoon animation or something? If he can get it running at least at a decent speed I think its worth it even if it is a little glitchy.
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Post by takashi on Oct 10, 2005 22:33:55 GMT 1
I personally will be 100% satisfied if a full speed GBA and Mega-CD emulator becomes available Whether or not it has sound is of no importance to me. As for PSX on the Zod, I personally will have no use for such a thing. Far too impractical. But I am encouraging it's development because that's how programmers learn. It's also interesting to me. I've tested a number of games on it. Kinda funny to see which flaws are in which games. Like, Soul Blade has the totally obscure models, Crash has the screen which jumps all over the place. A lot of objects look hairy. What other consoles would be feasable for a handheld? Personally, anything before Playstation would be fine. I wouldn't really want anything beyond that. WOW! Is the speed like a bad cartoon animation or something? If he can get it running at least at a decent speed I think its worth it even if it is a little glitchy. The speed widely ranges. From my experience, I get about 3FPS out of the 50FPS required for full speed. This is with no sound and Zod optimizations. It's not playable, except for a handful of specific titles which play at maybe 35FPS with the Zod overclocked to the max. |
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Post by canto86 on Oct 10, 2005 22:34:45 GMT 1
I think that if any more emulators were to be made they should be for more popular systems. I dont even use the TG16, VCS, WS, or NGP emulators.
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Post by takashi on Oct 10, 2005 22:37:38 GMT 1
You shouldn't be using systems you don't own anyway Meh... Who's gonna stop ya... All the popular ones have been done now anyway as far as I can see. GBA needs to be better, but apart from that... MEGA-CD!!!! xD... If you can call that popular. |
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Post by canto86 on Oct 10, 2005 22:41:27 GMT 1
I wonder, is there any way they can do like just one game and make it run good. Not like an emulator but more like a singular game. It would be awesome to be able to play twisted metal or some other good game on my palm.
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Post by takashi on Oct 10, 2005 22:42:52 GMT 1
That would be a port, but you'd need to break into the developers HQ and steal all their data and hope the unencrypted source-code was among it |
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Post by canto86 on Oct 11, 2005 1:44:43 GMT 1
Ahh. Anyone up to that. lol (no really)
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Post by kayge on Oct 15, 2005 22:20:47 GMT 1
For anyone watching the PPSX being developed by Zodttd, he has indicated that a company he is doing private work for is getting him a Palm T5, and when time permits this will allow him to port this over for regular Palm users.
Apparently he has also added support for Pocket ISO (whatever that is). This apears allows his emulator to compress .bin files that are normally 400-600mb down to 25-50mb. A very storable range even for the smallest SD cards.
The latest release also seems to have some speed increases.
Of course I'm only getting this from reading his thread over on Emuboards. So I'm just updating for anyone not following over there.
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Post by veggie on Oct 16, 2005 4:03:32 GMT 1
Does this mean i'll be able to play twisted metal on my Ld?
can u giv me a link.
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Post by Tinnus on Oct 16, 2005 13:29:47 GMT 1
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Post by snempaa on Oct 16, 2005 14:37:26 GMT 1
I've tried GTA2 and Castlevania (uncompressed and compressed) on my T3, but no luck with version 0.82.
I don't get any error messages, the screen just gets black and stays that way. Hopefully it'll be available for regular palmusers soon;)
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Post by angel on Oct 16, 2005 15:12:07 GMT 1
same on T5 with gt1 & 2 and ff6, 7 & 8 |
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Post by takashi on Oct 16, 2005 22:22:53 GMT 1
Note that a large majority of games don't work anyway so, that sort of instance is common even for Zod users |
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Post by veggie on Oct 16, 2005 23:23:04 GMT 1
Ammmmmmmmmmmazzzzing!!!!!!!!!!
didn't test yet but if true wow!!!!!!!
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Only a couple of games are even close to full-speed. Most run at somewhere in the region of 5fps. There's no options either so, you have to just run the ISO's and reset when you're done. Hey! Beats the PSP's attempt.
Must play Sonic-CD ^^
But I doubt it would make much difference. Only 33% faster at the most. You'd need it at least 300% faster to achieve a satisfactory speed with no sound. 
