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Post by stukpixel on Jun 28, 2007 23:19:34 GMT 1
how can I make it compatible?
I'd say just get rid of the colors and sound [even though its possible to have on lower grade devices] and just leave the weaker systems, like the NES.
can anyone help?
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Post by countbuggula on Jun 28, 2007 23:44:47 GMT 1
Not possible. Anything before Palm 5.0 used much slower processors (in the range of 13-50mhz instead of 130-500hhz) and just weren't powerful enough to emulate anything. There's some Gameboy emulators that work for the older devices but they're so slow that they're not really playable. If you want to watch a slide show of Super Mario Land that's about all you could do.
Even without sound we barely have enough CPU power to run LJP at playable rates, and most of us try and get more by overclocking.
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Post by hansschmucker on Jun 29, 2007 1:00:09 GMT 1
Hey, what's that about not playable... I loved playing Donkey Kong Lang on my m105 using Phoinix.  |
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Post by stukpixel on Jun 29, 2007 2:20:08 GMT 1
Not possible. Anything before Palm 5.0 used much slower processors (in the range of 13-50mhz instead of 130-500hhz) and just weren't powerful enough to emulate anything. There's some Gameboy emulators that work for the older devices but they're so slow that they're not really playable. If you want to watch a slide show of Super Mario Land that's about all you could do. Even without sound we barely have enough CPU power to run LJP at playable rates, and most of us try and get more by overclocking. I am pretty sure you have no idea what you are talking about. phoinix runs perfectly on mine, and when mine is benchmarked, its only 141% compared to the normal palm pilot [no overclocking]. Pokemon, runs very decently on mine. you are right about the speed of ours but I am pretty sure an NES emulator could be made for this device. |
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Post by semi on Jun 29, 2007 7:11:54 GMT 1
NES is very possible I believe, because on my Clie-VZ90, the CPU speed max out at 123Mhz (can't overclock because of SONY's stupid idea to have their own CPU, which they don't release any info about how it works more for the devs to look at), it plays NES games just fine without ANY lag, while GBC game shows noticeble lag from time to time, even without sound enabled that is, therefore I believe NES requires even less CPU speed than GBC games.
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Post by metaview on Jun 29, 2007 12:54:18 GMT 1
Doing stuff like this for OS 4 is a pain...
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Post by stukpixel on Jun 29, 2007 15:22:54 GMT 1
it sure is. unfortunatly, acquiring an OS 5 device is quite impossible right now.
seriously could the creator just make an nes and maybe gameboy version for OS 4?
If that is extremely hard and annoying to do, you don't have to.
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Post by countbuggula on Jun 29, 2007 16:26:39 GMT 1
Ok I'm sorry I didn't take into account the Clie line, those had some processors that might've been up to the task. I'm just relating my own experience with OS4 devices. Like Metaview said though, it would require quite a rewrite to get LJP to work at all in OS4 and probably wouldn't be worth it due to the limited number of people still using those devices.
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Post by vilmos on Jun 29, 2007 16:27:44 GMT 1
You have to be kidding.
It would be far easier to buy an OS5 device than spend a month or two making the emulator work in OS4.
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Post by semi on Jun 29, 2007 19:38:52 GMT 1
I have to agree with vilmos, pretty much all the PDAs (PocketPC/WinCE/Mobile excluded) are now running with PalmOS 5 or up operating system, how can it be impossible to get PalmOS 5 PDAs?
Unless you mean you don't have any money to buy a new PalmOS5 PDA...
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Post by vilmos on Jun 29, 2007 21:43:43 GMT 1
Go find yourself a nice used Tungsten T|3 which is pretty much the holy grail of PalmOS emulation. The only thing it lacks is controls, and in that case get a Zodiac which is slower but has great controls.
Both are dirt cheap on eBay.
The cost in time and effort to get something running on OS4 is ridiculous and frankly will never happen as the platform is completely dead.
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Post by stukpixel on Jun 29, 2007 22:51:55 GMT 1
right now I have shipping problems, and I am also frustrated at the fact I got ripped off for my original palm OS 4 device.
what is the cheapest OS 5 cost? (not from ebay)
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Post by semi on Jun 30, 2007 5:48:52 GMT 1
Cheapest would probably be a Zire22, which is $99 USD as what PalmOne website says... and next would be Tungsten E2 with $199 USD.
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Post by metaview on Jun 30, 2007 10:29:21 GMT 1
I don't know if a Z22 is the right device for LJP. You really should try to get an used T3. Quite cheap and one of the best for LJP. Treo 680/700p might be cool too but much more expensive.
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Post by semi on Jun 30, 2007 18:32:21 GMT 1
Even I know Z22 is not right for LJP, but since his question is which is the cheapest PalmOS 5 device, obviously it would be Z22 I think..
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Post by hansschmucker on Jul 5, 2007 18:24:38 GMT 1
If you want the full LJP experience, you should probably get a Zodiac, but these are available on ebay as they are no longer in production
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Post by _Em on Jul 6, 2007 7:32:23 GMT 1
Same goes for T|3 with a BGP gamepad |
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Post by hansschmucker on Jul 6, 2007 14:04:26 GMT 1
No,no,no ... an external gamepad is no replacement for good builtin controlls... (says the guy who bought an UX50 because he never has his external keyboard with him when he needs it)
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Post by nescafe22 on Jul 6, 2007 14:29:38 GMT 1
Ah but the T3 has usable builtin control in portrait screen mode, maybe not so in landscape...
So i agree with Em...T3 faster than a zod...More compatible than T5...More memory than a Zire22...Less problems than a Treo......
In other words I recommend a T3 every time...Beg Steal or borrow one, you won't be disappointed!!!!
Also buy yourself a BGP 100 Gamepad to cut down on button wear and tear...It works fine, and I got one off Ebay for only 15 quid.....
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Post by hansschmucker on Jul 6, 2007 19:58:09 GMT 1
Don't tell me that you can play fighting games on a T3 (5 buttons if I'm not mistaken, with only three really usable since would have to switch thumbs in order to get to ther other two) As for speed... the Zodiac is fast enough to play 90% of all SNES games with sound at frameskip 2 (or 20fps, if you prefer that term) which is good enough for me. |
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Post by nescafe22 on Jul 7, 2007 0:36:03 GMT 1
OK i admit it....
I was going to buy a Zod 2 first, but unfortunately there were none for sale at the time!!!
Sounds like both machines are excellent for LJP..And both are readily available on Ebay...
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Post by stukpixel on Jul 27, 2007 19:43:14 GMT 1
whats better a zire31 or a zire22? [hardcore processing, memory, functionality]
I found the zire31 at a lower price but I am not sure if that means its worse.....
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Post by countbuggula on Jul 27, 2007 20:37:06 GMT 1
The Z22 is actually newer, but Palm removed quite a bit of functionality in it compared to the 31 in an effort to reduce price (I don't think it has an SD card slot). Note that both of them are low-res (160x160) screens, which is bad for emulation. Here's a comparison of the whole Zire line. |
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Post by stukpixel on Jul 27, 2007 20:56:23 GMT 1
thx for the link. I am thinking about going with the zire 31 (mp3 playing capabilities, sd card expansion)
and judging by the z22 apparenent lack of function and the zire 31's problems, which would work better as a LJP player and/or better palm OS 5?
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Post by countbuggula on Jul 27, 2007 21:11:45 GMT 1
Like I said, neither are ideal as they're low resolution devices. That said, there were some NES games that were playable on my Treo 600 which had similar capabilities (just don't expect to be able to read any text). If you're interested in playing LJP at all you'll need the SD card though. It won't run entirely off of internal memory.
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Post by Tinnus on Jul 28, 2007 23:46:15 GMT 1
The Zire 31 is usable for anything more than a portable agenda, the 22 not, end of story  Get a Zire 31, it's far better having an SD slot... what do you call its "problems"? |
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Post by stukpixel on Jul 29, 2007 18:54:47 GMT 1
according to wikipedia, ghosting, slowdown/lag etc. check out the link there. but I'm not sure if that validated or not.
zire 31 only has 2 buttons, will that be a problem for this? (and is there a way to add a little game pad?)
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